[lbo-talk] more on Obama's gun record

[Eric Draitser]

its not about fighting the government on an individual basis, you know as
well as i do that the last thing the governemtn would want is to get into a
shooting war with its citizens.  any time that has happened, even on an
individual scale like ruby ridge or waco, the governemtn loses all
credibility and looks like the villain.  the point is not to fight the
government yourself, the point is to not allow them to dictate your rights.
and by the way, your reading of the second ammendment is absolute
brainwashing propaganda, the second amendment is written in 18th century
language where the first clause is not the subject, read any of the
Federalist or Anti-Federalist papers, or anything Ben Franklin wrote the
language structure is similar...the key point is not the "well-regulated
militia" but rather the subject clause "the right of the people to keep and
bear arms shall not be infringed" PERIOD!, any argument on this point is
simply poor reading of the actual text

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:56 PM, John Thornton <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:


> Who in our Govt. really believes my shotgun could be used to to any
> effect if the Govt. wished to impose martial law?
> Don't kid yourself indeed.
> The 2nd amendment really says nothing about individual gun ownership.
> It is about a collective right for militias not under federal control.
>
> All that said I don't believe gun confiscation is justified by the
> imposition of martial law.
>
> John Thornton
>
>
>
>
> Eric Draitser wrote:
> > finally something i agree with obama on, gun confiscation (aside from
> being
> > blatantly unconstitutional) is one of the key obstacles to the
> imposition of
> > martial law.  please dont kid yourselves, martial law is coming the next
> > time there is a "terrorist attack" (whether or not you even believe that
> > 9-11 wasn't an inside job).  all i know is, i dont want to end up in one
> of
> > those cute little FEMA concentration camps, and if they confiscate guns
> you
> > better believe that'll happen sooner rather than later.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> [also from the Politico piece]
> >>
> >> In the Senate, he and Clinton broke on one vote, in July 2006. Siding
> >> with gun-rights advocates, Obama voted to prohibit the confiscation
> >> of firearms during an emergency or natural disaster. Clinton was one
> >> of 16 senators to oppose the amendment.
>
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