[lbo-talk] To each according to work

[andie nachgeborenen]

Please look at my repeated careful explanation of the several limited purposes for which it is useful to think about certain aspects of a socialist future; I have restated them in this thread and do not wish to repeat myself again here. We do not have to go all parecon to think about general principles and forms of alternative organization as one of a number of things we can do and probably should do if only in part to answer reasonable questions that we encounter in organization about what we have in mind that's so much better that it's worth taking the risks we are asking people to take.

--- On Mon, 4/21/08, Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu> wrote:


> From: Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] To each according to work
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 10:02 PM
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
> > At 7:59 AM -0500 21/4/08, Carrol Cox wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>You also leave out completely everything that has
> to
> >>happen between now and then. Hence you fantasize a
> socialist world
> >>coming in with the flick of a switch. Sheer
> tomfoolery.
> > 
> > 
> > The first thing that has to happen between now and
> then is to decide 
> > where we as a society want to go, which involves
> debate. So you are 
> > completely wrong, both sides of the debate are doing
> what is required 
> > and it is you who, in condemning the debate, is
> foolishly imagining 
> > that a socialist society can come into existence
> without taking the 
> > first step to make it so.
> 
> There is an important strategic question embedded in this
> thread: Do we 
> need to decide what a socialist society should look like
> before we can 
> do any work that could lead to a socialist future?
> 
> I wonder how much capitalist ideology is smuggled into the
> assumption 
> that all social relations are first expressed in the
> individual's mind 
> (cf. the capitalist mythology about the capitalist who
> profits by 
> bringing his visions to fruition).
> 
> Is the first step toward socialism really imagining the
> details of a 
> socialist society? (Serious question.)
> 
> Miles
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