[lbo-talk] Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Dies at 89 (NY Times)

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 4 13:46:13 PDT 2008


There were about 50 pages, I think, in various selections available on line a few months after it came out. I don't recall who did them, maybe it was you.

Anyway, I would not be considered a Russian. Least of all by AS.

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:


> From: Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Dies at 89 (NY Times)
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 1:59 PM
> You would be considered a evrei, because you are a evrei,
> not a zhid.
>
> You read substantial chunks of an 800-page book? The only
> translations I have ever seen of 200 Let have been done by
> me.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, andie nachgeborenen
> <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: andie nachgeborenen
> <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Dies at
> 89 (NY Times)
> > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 2:03 PM
> > I have read substantial translated excerpts of 200
> Years
> > Together, enough to know that if there is an innocent
> > explanation, it would take a lot of explaining. I have
> > actually read a whole volume of the Red Wheel, more
> than
> > enough.
> >
> > I am highly aware that Russian antisemitism did not
> end
> > with 1917 but continues up through the present day, it
> was
> > severe in the Stalin period and afterward, though not
> as bad
> > as under the Czar. I have experienced it myself in the
> > post-Communist period from unlikely sources, such as
> my
> > liberal friend Ryabakov's daughter-in-law, who
> would be
> > horrified to know she had succumbed to the disease, as
> many
> > white liberals come out with unconsciously racist
> remarks
> > here. I know lots of Russian Jewish emigres who left
> because
> > of antisemitism under the Soviet and present periods.
> And I
> > can read poll data as well as the next fella.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong. Some of my best friends of
> > Russians. ;-) I love the literature, up to the point,
> the
> > culture, respect the Soviets for their role in saving
> the
> > world in 1941-45 and keeping space in the rest of the
> world
> > in 1917-89. I am substantially Russian and Polish in
> > ancestry, although -- and this is the problem -- most
> > Russians and Poles would not consider me Russian or
> Polish
> > but zhidy, Jewish. And in my case case, as you well
> know,
> > you cannot say I merely inherit my grandparent's
> shteltl
> > prejudices, well, they weren't prejudices, they
> were
> > well-founded, attitudes then; I actually know a lot
> about
> > revolutionary and modern Russia.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Chris Doss
> > <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
> Dies at
> > 89 (NY Times)
> > > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 5:25 AM
> > > Solzhenitsyn never wrote a book called History of
> the
> > Jews
> > > in Russia. I assume you mean 200 Years Together,
> which
> > has
> > > never been translated, and thus you have never
> read
> > it. Do
> > > you often comment on books you haven't read?
> PS.
> > > Slavophilia is not a living movement.
> Solzhenitsyn can
> > no
> > > more be a Slavophile than he can be a Whig.
> > >
> > > You know, like the descendents of many diasporas,
> your
> > view
> > > of Eastern Europe is fixated on the time period
> in
> > which
> > > your ancestors left. You have Diaspora Disease.
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, andie nachgeborenen
> > > <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: andie nachgeborenen
> > > <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Aleksandr
> Solzhenitsyn
> > Dies at
> > > 89 (NY Times)
> > > > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > > > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 11:26 PM
> > > > It's been many many years since S
> published
> > > anything
> > > > that wasn't a disgrace. He was gone a
> long
> > time
> > > ago. His
> > > > early accomplishments were considerable. The
> Red
> > > Wheel, The
> > > > History of the Jews in Russia, are
> > spine-chilling, and
> > > in
> > > > the end he succumbed to irrationalism and
> > Slavophilia.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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