On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM, MK <mkurk at mac.com> wrote:
> "Voting is easy and marginally useful, but it is a poor substitute
> for democracy, which requires direct action by concerned citizens." -
> Howard Zinn
> http://zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/16590
>
> "The question is what will you do, where will you go with the one
> opening that they leave you which they claim is democracy."
> http://zcommunications.org/zaudio/2515 - Poet and activist Amiri Baraka.
>
> There is a way forward, the only way things are ever accomplished
> when fighting illegitimate power- from the bottom up, without
> harboring illusions but keeping our eyes open to possibilities.
>
> I'm not trying to be glib - just explaining that as I watch those
> activists and community organizers whom I admire most and try to
> learn from, they don't let the elections control their work. Instead,
> they are constantly evaluating how their work can be used to
> influence the elected, and building coalitions between community
> organizations from the ground up. Whatever we can think of to harness
> and redirect some of the energy from the Obama camp so as to achieve
> our goals.
>
> We can surely make a tactical choice come the November election but
> until then and immediately thereafter it's just continuing to build
> bridges with the folks on the ground.
>
> Maryellen
>
> On Feb 22, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Max B. Sawicky wrote:
>
> > Your problem is you can't take yes for an answer.
> >
> > For we the perplexed, please describe some alternative path or
> > scenario from our present wretched state to better times. Is it
> > Rosa's mass strike? A more handsome Ralph Nader? What?
> >
> >
> >>> You keep saying things like this without offering any evidence.
> >>> Which I suppose makes sense, since the available evidence is to
> >>> the contrary.
> >>> Doug
> >>
> >> Forget it, Doug. From this point on, Obamaites will be
> >> unreachable. They've got religion, and nothing will stop the
> >> snake waving.>Dennis
> >
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