> So the Permian era climatic conditions are now the threshold we're trying to
> stay below? That's good to know. It gives us more time to continue
> polluting.
> No matter how fucked the climate gets you can always find some era that was
> worse in some manner.
> I fail to see how noting this is helpful.
>
> "Too late" as in too late to avoid setting off positive feedback loops that
> amplify climate instability.
>
> Believing that we will not avoid the positive feedback loops is
> fatalism/despair and therefore not interesting is an odd idea.
> Believing we will avoid these feedback loops is like believing Obama is an
> agent of progressive change.
> It may make you feel better about your 35 month olds chances for a less
> bleak climatic future but it is equally unrealistic.
> Better to deal with unpleasant realism than hide behind positive feeling
> fantasies.
>
> A couple that I'm very close to just adopted a child.
> With that adoption came an adjustment in their view of climate change.
> In their words they can no longer allow themselves to believe the climate
> problem will be severe or else they will lose hope for their child's future.
> A rather silly method to use to form ones beliefs on climate change.
> Apparently a very popular method as well.
> I don't believe we will avoid the positive feedbacks but it damn sure won't
> be from lack of effort on my part.
> I fail to see why believing near future generations will face positive
> feedback loops that amplify climate instability equals fatalism/despair.
>
> John Thornton
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Well golly, have another gin and tonic to fuel your perpetual petulance already.........
Ian