--- On Sun, 6/29/08, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
"So even if it is desirable for Obama to be elected it is not desirable for anyone on this list to work for his election"
I disagree, and your own statement that "arriving at a deeper understanding of the possibility of action in the current conjunction" contradicts the statement above.
One may not work *for* Obama, but one can work *in* an election. Sitting in front of a supermarket, for whatever candidate or issue, you can learn a lot about what your neighbors think, how angry, disillusioned, uninformed, scared they are. That IS the conjunction, in the flesh, isn't it?
BW
> From: Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] sprinting rightwards
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 8:10 AM
> Chuck Grimes wrote:
> >
> > We know Obama sucks, can we move on from that premise?
> There is a
> > certain concentration
> > on on this point that is becoming annoying.Personally
> I am tired of
> > hiring how Obama sucks.
> > I get it. What is the continuous point in bringing it
> up over and
> > over and over?
>
> The elections became tiresome long ago. Posts dealing with
> them are
> interesting if you merely pick more or less at random about
> every
> seventh post or so to glance at. Buried in them (and
> carefully avoided
> for the most part) are two questions of abstract -- i.ee.
> relevant to
> action* -- importance.
>
> 1. Is there any probability of left liberals or liberals
> affecting state
> action throgh participation in electoral politics. (This
> finesses the
> question of whether or not electoral politics make a
> difference, since
> it focuses on whether we can make a difference to electoral
> politics, to
> which I say No. So even if it is desirable for Obama to be
> elected it is
> not desirable for anyone on this list to work for his
> election.)
>
> 2. Is there any possibility of present ctivity by leftists
> or left
> liberals having a future impact (assuming our relation to
> the election
> cnnot)? I'm not sure on this point -- but that very
> uncertainty is
> itself an answer. Our most important activity now is
> theoretical, aimed
> at arriving at a deeper understanding of the possibility of
> action in
> the current conjunction.
>
> Carrol
>
> *The future is abstract. The meaning of action is in the
> future. Hence
> only abstraction is r3elevant to action.
>
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