[lbo-talk] The State and Capitalism

[Eric]

>
>Yes, but with the major qualification that it would
>have to be a central planning without wage labor or
>the state, i.e. a sort of central planning that the
>really existing socialist countries never achieved

Maybe you have something in mind that I'm not thinking of, but 
doesn't central planning, even without waged labor, contain an 
element of external command that maintains some of the worst things 
about capitalism? That is, the abolition of waged labor might 
eliminate exploitation, but central planning would maintain 
mechanisms of control. The only way I see around this is for the 
workplaces to elect representatives to the central-planning bodies, 
in which case you are just extending the realm of crappyass 
representative democracy. That sucks. Shouldn't communism also 
eliminate democracy?