[lbo-talk] BHO & working-class whites

[John Thornton]

I shouldn't have even replied to this thread.
Jerry's question should have been considered rhetorical.
I know of no reason why Max, a man whose work I admire, would support 
murderous policies of any Dem and I doubt Jerry actually has such a concern.
I'd be more than shocked if Max took such a position.
That said, Max knows there has never been and never will be an example 
of US military intervention as an "active presence" to maintain the US 
as "a key player" that wasn't murderous.
It is a physically impossible for such a policy to be non-murderous 
making Max's reply "If they didn't, like, murder anybody." difficult if 
not impossible to take seriously.
I know some list members don't like the term Obamamania but I don't see 
people whose work I admire and who should know better making similar 
statements concerning Clinton.
If that happens it would be an example of Clintonmania in my opinion.

I've yet to see Clinton's official position on H.R. 2824 but Obama has 
come out against it making him the only CBC member to do so IIRC.
This has earned him much respect in the Native American community and 
has also resulted in similar unrealistic pronouncements being issued 
from people who should know better.
His position did leave him some wiggle room but it was just what most 
Native Americans wanted to hear.

I initially preferred Edwards of the top three and I just heard he has 
announced his support of Obama.
I haven't heard if this means he is the likeliest to be tapped for VP by 
Obama but he always seemed the likeliest for either Obama or Clinton.
I don't see how anyone could seriously have entertained an Obama/Clinton 
or Clinton/Obama ticket but I've seen it bandied about.

John Thornton

 
Carrol Cox wrote:
> John Thornton wrote:
>   
>> Obama states:
>>
>> "It is conceivable that a significantly reduced U.S. force might remain
>> in Iraq for a more extended period of time. Such a reduced but active
>> presence will also send a clear message to hostile countries like Iran
>> and Syria that we intend to remain a key player in this region."
>>
>> How is an "active presence" as "a key player" not a murderous policy in
>> this instance?
>>     
>
> Liberals have nothing going for them but an intense faith that somehow
> things will be better. Obama is the latest peg for that empty hope. In
> another 3 to 5 years there will be another (equally weak) peg and
> another and another. They will still be holding on to that hope as the
> Eastern seacoast floods, as power riots rage in the cities, as
> Third-World dictators (but friends of American Freedom) gain nuclear
> capacity, etc.
>
> Carrol
>
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