[lbo-talk] competence, not ideology ... again

shag shag at cleandraws.com
Mon Nov 3 15:27:54 PST 2008


At 04:38 PM 11/3/2008, Shane Taylor wrote:
>John Thornton wrote:
>
> > Where were the starry-eyed Obamaniacs expecting a
> > New Deal or new Great Society?
>
>Even for the ones with stars in their eyes, it's no given that they
>foresee social democracy. I wonder if some are just giddy for a government
>to pledge allegiance to and aren't asking for much in return.

IT may have been the peculair confluence of people of color in the audience -- it was more than 22,000 people according to the paper -- and a region full of military (current, ex, married to, related to, child of, employed in defense industry) but three things got the biggest cheers last week:

1. Obama as someone who would restore the u.s.'s reputation in the world.

2. Obama calling for *their* participation in politics.

3. Obama saying that they weren't a people who wanted the government to do things for them, but they could do for themselves.


>Nailed it. The _fear_ of socialism isn't what it used to be, but the
>smirking contempt that there is nothing to even debate is reflexive. Obama
>demonstrated this himself in the interview with Jon Stewart, ribbing Daily
>Show as socialist. The butt of that joke wasn't McCain, in my opinion.

Right. Rev Wright and socialism are the crazy uncles in the family.

correction to my earlier comment: I'd said that McCain said the right answers was "So what if he is Muslim." It was Colin Powell who said that, chastising McCain for not saying that.

shag



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