[lbo-talk] Obama picks Rahm Emanuel, free trade fanatic & welfare "reformer"

B. docile_body at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 6 00:20:48 PST 2008


I have spoken with Marxists whose reasoning is so convoluted that they demand and welcome new "developing" countries into the capitalist fold, because in their playbook a country *must* FIRST go through capitalism to get beyond that and therefore into socialism. So new capitalist countries are welcome by some Marxists.

Point is, obviously Marx thought a post-capitalist society would be progress, at least according to any generally-used definition of "capitalism" I am aware of.

Some of his supporters have taken it to the extreme to say a nation MUST go through a period of capitalism before progressing into socialism, thus ironically putting them in the position of championing burgeoning new capitalist societies.

Pretty fucked up.

-B.

Chris Doss wrote:

"Marx thought capitalism was a form of progress, didn't he? Anyway, whether a change is sudden or gradual is relative to your time frame. I think this suddenness obsession is part of Carrol's secularized form of Calvinism. It is the moment in which we are changed, in the twinkling of an eye."



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