[lbo-talk] On the Threat from Religion

Philp Pilkington pilkingtonphil at gmail.com
Thu Nov 20 06:16:54 PST 2008


On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Peter Ward <nevadabob at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:


>
> Jean Brichmont concludes a recent CounterPunch article:
>
> "The deep
> reason why progressives should oppose religion is that it is irrational
> and arbitrary. A better world is necessarily a more rational world, a
> world where people search for solutions to human problems based on the
> facts of the world and with the help of reason."
>
> Of course he's right. But I'm not convinced that at present traditional
> religion is causing much of our troubles. Rather, modern secular ideologies
> such as neoliberalism are to blame for much of pain we suffer. And, like it
> or not, much of the most constructive work that is being done on the left in
> the US is being done be people who profess, honestly or not, their faith.
>
> And, I think, ideologically the worst harm done to the left recently has
> been from ideologies it has created, such as Marxism* and, more recently and
> distressingly, postmodernism. Fortunately, Marxism has not enthralled people
> of my generation and from what I observed in school postmoderism is duly
> given little respect by students. But it is still the case that discourse
> concerning politics by people in the west (especially in Europe) who are
> consious of being "left" remains heavily clouded in obscurantism and
> fanaticism, to its detriment. Whereas, for the most part, I do not see
> Christians suffering the same imparement of facts to anything like the same
> degree on basically every issue aside from abortion (although,
> personally,--while in practice I think abortion should be legal without
> qualification--I have certain ethical reservations against it where the is
> not danger to the mother's life or where there are not serious birth
> defects) and I see Christians as among the most!
> efficacious in terms of actually taking action against manifold forms of
> injustice.
>
> Finally, for what it's worth, I'd like to note two observations. The first,
> that the reason there are so many fanatics in the US is because they were
> once driven, by persecuting forces, from the Old World. This was the case of
> my Puritan ancestors and this appears to be the case of my Chasidic
> neighbors here in Brooklyn. That the solution is not to answer religion, in
> spite of all that is evil in it, with persecution as is happening now in
> Europe, usually directed toward Muslims. And second, that religious belief,
> as distinguished from vain display, is waning. Evidence can be seen in the
> behavior of the devout: rarely do they behave in manner consistent with
> confident belief (in the sense you or I believe in China) an omnipotent and
> punishing entity. In fact, an Chasidic acquaintance of mine confessed to me
> the only reason he practices the faith is the appease his father.
>
> Religion is a problem and we shouldn't have illusions about that. But I
> don't actually think it's the most serious obstacle preventing the left in
> this country (incidentally, atheist Britain has almost the same political
> structure as the US suggesting, at any rate, abolition of religion isn't
> going to be the magic bullet many hope for) .
>
> *In spite of his claims to the contrary, I believe that Marx himself was
> fairly religious and that ideologically his work amounts to Christianity
> dressed in new clothes. Many fundamental metaphysical principles are carried
> over more or less explicitly tr such as manicheanism and belief in a
> millennium.
>
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People often confuse religion with fanaticism and absolute conviction. For example I don't reckon that Marx was in any way religious. If you read his writings they're all over the place and often self-contradictory, they seem to suffer (?) from a perpetual lack of conviction. I think that's probably why he never wrote the "bible" of dialectical materialism... that would have to wait for some pious disciple like Althusser. Certainly though Marx's writings incorporated many religious elements (which is fairly inevitable...) and these were quickly picked up on by many.

Unfortunately, people can just as easily start worshipping logic and supposed rationality - to the point that it becomes highly irrational, to the point that it becomes a sort of "rationalisation", in the psychological sense of the term, for peoples actions (just look at the "Objectivists"). I think its less the belief system one adheres to and more the manner in which one adheres to it.

Johann Georg Hamann, the anti-Kantian par excellence, once said: "I look upon logical proofs as a well-bred girl looks upon a love letter". Of course he was saying this from the standpoint of Christianity, but I always like to think that it was less in the name of religion that he said this and more in the name of countering dogmatism...



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