I think you must be responding to Dennis, not me.
(Is Vietnam "hypercapitalist"? I don't know much about it.)
(Also, is Venezuela "third world" and "underdeveloped"?)
--- On Sun, 10/12/08, andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Great, post-communist (hyper capitalist) China and Vietnam
> and oil-rich Venezuela are going to help save world
> capitalism because they'd be taken down in the wreckage
> if we fell, and they can't afford to let us fall because
> the Asians are capitalist now and the Venezuelans, despite
> fiery rhetoric, can't live without is. And we are in no
> position to make anything good of even a downturn, much less
> the worst crises since '29, because our ideas have no
> traction at home and we have no organization here. Somehow I
> don't think this is revolutionary progress, however
> ironic it is that the Wise Men of Capitalism have to adopt
> "socialist" measures to deal with the crisis.
> Maybe we will be able to make something out of this, so far
> hard to see.
>
> Anyway, I'm bored with third world-ism. Haven't we
> been down that path to many times, China, Vietnam, Cuba,
> whoever, some revolutionaries abroad in some underdeveloped
> countries re going to somehow show us the way, inspire us,
> light the spark that starts the prairie fire? Chuck-O was
> right about so many things, including the fact the working
> class will have to settle with its own national bourgeoisie.
> The most the Cubans or the Venezuelans can do is cheer from
> the sidelines.
>
> Our guys have to start to be persuaded that it's not
> insane, stupid, or wicked to join the home team. So fat, we
> have gotten them as gar as believing that (a) Hillary Rodham
> Clinton cares about working people, and (b) Barak Obama
> might be be better at dealing with this mess than McCain
> Plain. Which last is true, but isn't exactly a revival
> of left thought and organization.
>