[lbo-talk] good morning my fellow ecosystems

[Carrol Cox]

While I oppose ahistorical moral arguments for _anything_, and reject
vegetarian arguments that everyone _should_ be vegetarian, I've
previously indicated that I dislike slanging elements of the popularion
that either are or might be, under some conditions, on 'our' side. Under
that heading I've demurred from personal attacks on SUV drivers and
evangelical. And since humor is at least apt to be focused on persons
rather than ideas, I'm made uncomfortable by humor at the expense of
vegetarians, many of whom are _already_ on our side.

As a general point, I doubt that the world's need for protein could be
even minimally satisfied by universal vegetarianism. Cruelty to animals
is another issue, independent of whether they do suffer or not: they
seem to, and unchecked cruelty corrupta, just as harsh prison conditions
and retributive justice corrupt the general society.

Carrol

John Thornton wrote:
> 
> Dennis Claxton wrote:
> > At 02:21 PM 4/15/2009, ravi wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Ignoring the revealing attempts at humour here on the
> >> list,
> >
> >
> > Chris said earlier people make fun out of guilt and now you're saying
> > the making fun is "revealing."
> >
> > I don't think people are making fun out of guilt or some other hidden
> > motive.  I think it's because of the high-handed high-horseness
> > associated with animal rights acitivism.
> 
> Given the large numbers of people who make fun of vegetarians I can't
> imagine guilt has anything to do with it.
> Are we to assume huge numbers of meat eaters actually feel guilty?
> That seems preposterous.
> 
> I agree that so many animal rights activists couch their argument in
> terms of how enlightened and ethical THEY are that most people see this
> as an ego inflated to the point of needing a puncture.
> 
> John Thornton
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