[lbo-talk] timelines

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The Western Empire lasted a bit longer than the standard history suggests. While the Roman army pulled out of Britian in 410 CE Roman law and culture continued there (admittley with a celtic resurrgence) until overrun by the Anglo-saxons. However, the A-S did not conquer Wales which remained unconquered until Edward the 1st defeated them in the last 1200's. Wales and Cornwall were the two areas of the Western Roman Empire not to overrun and conquered by the northern european tribes.

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--- On Sat, 4/18/09, Michael Pollak <mpollak at panix.com> wrote:

From: Michael Pollak <mpollak at panix.com>
Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] timelines
To: "lbo-talk" <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 3:31 PM

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009, Doug Henwood wrote:


> <http://doughenwood.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/empires-fall-slowly/>
> 
> A friend pointed out the other day: people sometimes compare the U.S.
empire to Rome's decline -- but forget that it took 800 years to fall.

Longer, at least on Gibbon's timeline.  The empire (as opposed to the
Republic) officially begins in 27 BCE (when Octavian becomes Augustus). Gibbons
considered the decline to begin with the end of the Antonines in 180 CE.  And
Constantanople -- capital of the richer, eastern half of the empire -- falls in
1453.  After which, it simply becomes the Ottoman Empire, which lasted until
1918! At which point the Ottoman, Hapsburg and Romanov empires fall while the
British and US expand, while the French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Belgian...

Once you start taking the long view, you realize a world without empires would
be something unprecendented.

Michael
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