[lbo-talk] Blue Dogs cashing in

c b cb31450 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 5 10:31:56 PDT 2009


shag carpet bomb shag

Regardless, here's the kernel of what Carrol's saying, only via Ollman:

"For example, Marx claims that when a communist stands in front of 'a crowd of scrofulous, overworked and consumptive starvelings', he sees 'the necessity, and at the same time the condition, of a transformation both of industry and of the social structure'.12 Marx is asserting that for those who share his outlook these 'facts' contain their own condemnation and a call to do something about them. If an individual ''''chooses otherwise, it is not because he had made a contrary moral judgment, but because the particular relations in which he stands (the class to which he belongs, his personal history, etc.) have led him to a different appreciation of the facts.13"

Obviously, Carrol has been saying this over and over for at least the last five years that I've paid attention. I don't recall too much emphasis on this during the early war years of LBO. At any rate, the point is that people come to their moral positions -- to their recognition that something is immoral -- because of their location in the social structure, through the unique confluence of experiences in that social structure.

The ability to make that moral judgment is the result of that social and political praxis *in* the world. It is not the result of pondering moral principles.

^^^

CB: I'm thinking this ability comes especially from the aspect of social experience and praxis which is mothers, fathers, "churches" and schools verbally teaching , shall we call it, lecturing, singing, scolding, encouraging, nagging, sweet talking. The teachers practicing what they preach, modelling morals, is a bit more problematic.

The Ten Commandments are explicitly taught verbally, as much as experienced in praxis. I remember a kids show when I was little that had "do bees" and "don't bees".

Marx's work is one long effort at teaching so that the working class, the gooey, gooey mass, can learn other than through hardknocks ( praxis). It's an effort to overcome experience as the best teacher. That's what all "good" culture, passed from one generation to the next , is: taking from the experience and praxis of parental generations so that daughter generations can learn from words without having to go through the same difficult experience and hardknocks that the parental generation did.

( There is "bad" culture too)



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