[lbo-talk] Chris Hedges comes out as socialist

Charles Brown charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us
Mon Jan 5 14:29:50 PST 2009


Bill Bartlett

Carrol Cox wrote:


>Currently I'm paying a grad student $18 an hour to read to me March,
>Moishe Postone's _Time, Labor, and Social Domination_, i.e., I'm paying
>a bit over $1 a page. I think it's going to be money well spent (and I
>would suggest that anyone who values the _Grundrisse_ owes it to
>him/herself to get Postone's book and read it). Both implicit and
>explicit in Marx as Postone interprets his work is that socialism
>represents not the realization of the working class but the abolition of
>the working class,

Yes.

^^^^ CB: Sure. The goal is a class_less_ society. The working class is an exploited/oppressed class. The aim in no exploiting or exploited classes.

But in the transitional stage, the working class is the ruling class. That's before the total abolition of classes.

^^^^

^^


> and that the essence of capitalism is NOT private
>property plus the market,

^^^ CB: Capitalism's "essence" is that commodity production and exchange ( "the market") dominates the whole economy , and the vast majority oflabor is becomes a commodity ( wage-labor). Feudalism and slavery had private property, but commodity production ( production for exchange, not use) was in only a small section of the whole economy. Labor power as a commodity was in only a small segment too.

and that it cannot be transcended by merely
>abolishing private proprty and the market but that the industrial
>organization of production must be eliminated.

I don't know what "industrial organization of production" means.

^^^ CB: See Part IV of _Capital_ Vol. I. Marx gives the Marxist essentials of The Industrial Revolution - Cooperation and Machines.

Part IV: Production of Relative Surplus Value

Ch. 12: The Concept of Relative Surplus-Value Ch. 13: Co-operation Ch. 14: Division of Labour and Manufacture Ch. 15: Machinery and Modern Industry http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch12.htm ^^^

Bill Bartlett Bracknell Tas

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