[lbo-talk] Americans don't wanna get involved in Gaza

Peter Ward nevadabob at hotmail.co.uk
Fri Jan 9 16:22:20 PST 2009


I think the poles cited need some qualification--what is meant by saying the administration should "do more" to bring about a cease fire? Currently what we are doing is diving Israel weapons of mass destruction--should we be "doing more" of this? Logically, with all of one's opponents dead a cease-fire does become a reality; if fact it is only in this situation that it becomes an assured reality. (Incidentally, it is absurd to suggest the US will play a constructive role on the "conflict", really Israeli imperial aggression and the reaction of the victims to it, since they are in fact playing a crucial destructive role--the best thing one can realistically hope for would in fact be for the US to literally stop doing anything--i.e., stop giving Israel the weapons and money their present policy is dependent on.)

However, it does seem to be the case that US public opinion is turning against Israel and its clear the US public won't tolerate US military deployment to the Middle East in the event Israel starts a regional war, as it seems determined to do.


> From: dhenwood at panix.com
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:19:55 -0500
> Subject: [lbo-talk] Americans don't wanna get involved in Gaza
>
> <http://www.gallup.com/poll/113707/Americans-Pressing-Bigger-Role-Gaza-Conflict.aspx
> >
>
> January 9, 2009
>
> Americans Not Pressing for Bigger Role in Gaza Conflict
> Few believe Obama should announce his views before he’s president
>
> by Lydia Saad
>
> PRINCETON, NJ -- Israel's military action in the Gaza Strip after
> recent Hamas rocket fire into southern Israel has put international
> pressure on the United States to advocate an immediate cease-fire; but
> only 33% of Americans, according to a Jan. 6-7 Gallup Poll, say the
> Bush administration should be doing more to end the conflict than it
> already is doing.
>
> In polling conducted the first two days after Israeli mortar fire
> killed more than 40 Palestinians sheltered in a United Nations-run
> school, Americans are more likely to believe the Bush administration
> should expand its role in ending the Gaza conflict than pull back, 33%
> vs. 22%. However nearly a third -- 30% -- say the administration is
> already doing the right amount to resolve it. Thus, a combined 52% do
> not push for more involvement.
>
> Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has been leading the
> administration's response to the Gaza crisis by trying to promote the
> idea of a cease-fire that is "durable, sustainable, and indefinite."
> That differs from the "immediate" cease-fire that many other world
> leaders have called for, and it reflects the administration's support
> for Israel's goal of neutralizing Hamas' ability to conduct further
> attacks on Israel. As Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said
> recently, his objective is that "quiet will reign supreme" in southern
> Israel.
>
> Half of self-described "liberals" (50%) in the latest survey want the
> Bush administration to do more to resolve the conflict. That compares
> with only 32% of "moderates" and 24% of "conservatives."
>
> Previous Gallup polling has shown liberals to be much less sympathetic
> than conservatives to the Israelis in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.
> Thus, it is likely that liberals favor an immediate cessation of the
> Gaza hostilities, even if that doesn't serve Israel's security
> interests.
>
> Similarly, Democrats are more likely than Republicans to favor greater
> action by the Bush administration to resolve the conflict.
>
>
>
> Public opinion is less slanted in favor of stepping up U.S. efforts to
> resolve the Gaza conflict when the same question is asked in terms of
> what the United States should do, rather than what the Bush
> administration should do.
>
> According to the split-sample experiment, in which survey respondents
> were randomly assigned to the two different forms of the question, 29%
> of Americans believe the United States should do more to resolve the
> Gaza conflict, versus 25% saying it should do less; 33% say it is
> doing the right amount. This contrasts with the 11 percentage-point
> gap in views about the Bush administration, with 33% saying it should
> do more and only 22% saying it should do less.
>
> This difference is largely because Democrats and independents are
> significantly more likely to favor greater action when the question is
> framed in terms of the Bush administration rather than the country,
> generally.
>
> Obama Should Stay on the Sidelines
>
> Barack Obama has taken some political heat from both sides of the
> Israeli-Palestinian dispute for not speaking out on the conflict --
> both from pro-Arab groups that want him to condemn the killing of
> civilians by Israel, and from pro-Israel groups that want him to
> defend Israel's right to strike back at Hamas. Obama has demurred,
> saying it would not be appropriate for him, as president-elect, to
> inject his views on such a critical international matter.
>
> Americans largely agree with Obama. Only 19% say he should announce a
> firm position on the conflict now, while 75% say he should wait until
> he takes office.
>
> The views of Democrats and Republicans are virtually identical on this
> question, with only 19% of Democrats and 18% of Republicans saying
> Obama should announce his position now. The vast majority of both
> groups (as well as of political independents) say he should wait.
>
> Bottom Line
>
> Public opinion about U.S. involvement in resolving the Gaza conflict
> is reminiscent of how Americans reacted to the hostilities between
> Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006. A Gallup Poll conducted in
> July 2006 found only a third of Americans saying the United States
> should press for an immediate cease-fire between Israel and Hezbollah,
> 20% saying it should wait before calling for a cease-fire, and 43%
> saying it should not get involved at any point.
>
> Contemporaneous polling showed Americans weren't necessarily strongly
> pro-Israel in the matter -- only half approved of Israel's military
> actions in Lebanon, while 38% disapproved. Americans simply did not
> favor heavy U.S. involvement in the region. Given several options for
> the role the United States should play in bringing about peace between
> Israel and Hezbollah, only 14% of Americans said the United States
> should take the leading role. More than half (56%) said the United
> States should be involved but that the United Nations should take the
> leading role, and another 29% said the United States should not be
> involved at all.
>
> That sentiment may very well apply to how Americans perceive the Gaza
> conflict today. While the public may believe the United States should
> have a place at the diplomatic table, it may not want to see the
> United States leading the Palestinian-Israeli peace effort, or
> expending time and other resources on it that may be needed closer to
> home.
>
>
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