>I hope I'm wrong on this, but my prediction is that a decent medical
> care system will never be achieved except as a 'by-blow' of a general
> social disruption _at least_ as that creatyed by the combined efforts of
> the Black Libeeration Movement and the Anti-War movement in the '60s.
> Anythng proposed by Obama can be considered deliberate sabotage of all
> efforts to achieve even a minimal _real_ reform of health care or any
> _real_ minimal progress towards decent health care. I don't know who
> these liberals are that sabotaged the current bill, but all power to
> them.
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Wish this were so, but I believe there are a number of bills in the HR and
Senate, which will likely be cobbled together to produce a health care
reform falling short of the expectations of liberals and other Americans.