>can we please get to something substantive, or make a clear conceptual
>argument about something meaningful based on something other than anecdotal
>evidence?...
You start.
>but this interminable exchange is neither
>exciting nor interesting...
Some days a diamond some days a stone.
>I think/hope we can do better
We can and we have. It's not that serious darling. Every now and then even critical thinkers have to vent.