[lbo-talk] Is Obama Running Interference to ProtectBankers' Pay?

[wrobert at uci.edu]

It was irrelevant to the structure that I presented.  Your reading was the
problem.  Misreading is the problem here.  I would suggest returning to
what I said earlier without your translations.  You offer one of two
choices, a sovereign individual who chooses or a sovereign system, which
are in the end, two sides of the same coin.  Social movements are not
created by individuals who 'choose', invariably they are created
collectively out of structures of subjection.  (For instance, early gay
rights movements draw their discourse from medical discourses of
pathology.)  These movements generally then begin to transform those
structures of signification as they become larger social forces and shift
structures of power.  (So, the german sexologists are recognized by people
in the GLBT movement, but there analysis would be, by in large, alien to
it)  At this point, they attract what Gramsci referred to as 'traditional
intellectuals' who then transform the frameworks even more. (People like
Judith Butler)  This is always tied into structures of assemblage, and
hopefully at some point, hegemonic articulations. (a non-heteronormative
society, I suppose).  robert wood

P.S. I'm still not sure what your critic is 'right' about, certainly not
Althusser.....
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> Hey, if you're tired of this discussion we're under no obligation to
> pursue it. But I'll just point out that invoking the phrase "liberal
> individual" with ritual sarcasm and then issuing a directive to read
> Althusser doesn't constitute an argument. Declaring that choice is
> irrelevant to the subject at hand is not the same thing as demonstrating
> it.
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> Man, Kolakowski was right.
>
> SA
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