I wasn't criticizing Zizek per se, just pointing out that the whole "human beings/nature" dichotomy is deeply problematic. What with human beings being part of nature. ;) Even if you define "nature" narrowly (ha) as "all that stuff that isn't the product of human deliberation," it's problematic, since the nonhuman stuff determines the deliberative process and vice versa.
--- On Thu, 5/7/09, Dennis Claxton <ddclaxton at earthlink.net> wrote:
> From: Dennis Claxton <ddclaxton at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] How many earths
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org, lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 2:42 PM
> At 11:16 AM 5/7/2009, Chris Doss
> wrote:
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> > I'm not sure that "alienation from nature" is a
> meaningful concept.
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> It is if you're trying to communicate something in a ten
> minute segment of a movie. Zizek is very good at doing
> that.
>
> Elsewhere he says, on page 8 of an 11 page article:
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> And does ultimately the same not go for nature itself?
> Here, “negation of negation” is the shift from the idea
> that we are
> violating some natural balanced order to the idea that
> imposing on the Real such a
> notion of balanced order is in itself the greatest
> violation… which is why the premise, the
> first axiom even, of every radical ecology is “there is
> no Nature.”
>
> http://zizekstudies.org/index.php/ijzs/article/view/41/64
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