[lbo-talk] the fantasy of being outside ideology

Shane Mage shmage at pipeline.com
Sat Nov 21 20:14:24 PST 2009


On Nov 21, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Chris Doss wrote:


> You know, people don't actually worry about whether "Socrates" and
> "Socrates standing" are different things in their ordinary speech...
>
"Socrates" and "Standing" are different words. "Are" and "Being" are forms of the same word. Whether in ordinary or extraordinary speech.
>
>>> Like all personal insults, whether or not ending in "ist," it would
>>> totally subvert the logos of the discussion underway. Otherwise it
>>> would be welcome as one's opponent's humiliating admission of defeat
>>> in argument.
>>
>> Note: In the context of the whole quotation from Angela, it makes a
>> difference that the hypothetical "insult" was NOT "You are a
>> racist" but
>> "You are BEING a racist."...
>
> Since "being" and "are" are both forms of the verb "to be," "being"
> in "are being"
> is merely an intensifier, emphasizing the insult that you are *now*
> a racist. If one meant "arguing like" or "making a racist argument"
> one would say so.

Shane Mage


> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
> kindling in measures and going out in measures."
>
> Herakleitos of Ephesos



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