On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Voyou wrote:
>> ... "dark energy" and "dark matter"--entities with much less
>> empirical basis than the epicycles of Ptolemaic astronomy.
>
> Not that this is any reason to reject them - the Copernican theory has
> no more empirical basis than Ptolemaic epicycles...
That was true, then. Kopernik did need epicycles. But have you ever heard of Johannes Kepler?
Shane Mage
> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
> kindling in measures and going out in measures."
>
> Herakleitos of Ephesos