[lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats

mart media314159 at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 25 05:21:42 PDT 2009


i wonder whether being a chaos is any worse ethically or logically, or possibly just a subjective decision. (eg using a coordinate transformation to 'linearize out' the chaos, say, by using a Poincare section (see Gleick's chaos for pictures).      also, some of these may be 'spandrels' or like 'junk DNA'---e.g. F Collins being an evangelical chistian/dna mapper, they go together actually.      one can also ask why anyone would choose to label themselves a progressive, or alternatively say 'radical' and believe capitalism can be eliminated, or the state.   choose newport!    its possible these things may be illusions, like the web (matrix mechanics).   

--- On Wed, 9/23/09, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:

From: Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 7:46 PM

"he closer democracy got to Ralph, the less he liked it."

Of course, most people are like that. The one's who are different are the ones who, when it gets closer, dislike it very much but force themselves to swallow it and eventually to like it.

As to Nader. He is a certain kind of materialist; one who sees only concrete results.

Then he is a progressive. A progressive is someone who has resigned him/herself (though they may pretend otherwise, to Capitalism Forever, but keeps hoping that capitalism will gradually improve and be nicer to people.

But capitalism can only improve (and that only temporarily) if nice plutocrats work at making it so.

Progressives who don't believe in nice plutocrats are a chaos.

Carrol

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