----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Rudy" <alan.rudy at gmail.com> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] The State
>I keep waiting for SOMEONE, ANYONE, to reference - and for others to
>respond
> directly to - something ANYTHING written about the state since 1945...
> Yeah,
> sure, Marx is important but, uh, to say that this whole discussion has
> gone
> on and on and on with only ever so few even moderately contemporary
> references is pretty silly.
> I proposed - more than a week ago? - that, perhaps, Baran and Sweezy,
> Habermas and O'Connor might have something to contribute... has anyone
> read
> and taken Monopoly Capital seriously? Legitimation Crisis? Fiscal Crisis
> of
> the State? Or are these folks apostate rather than classical Marxists
> (and
> yes, I know, H and O'C see the world differently, if more similarly than
> Baran and Sweezey did.)
> Our once-Polish colleague has raised Skocpal a few times, and someone else
> raised Poulantzas once or twice, but no one's even taken THEM up... come
> on
> y'all it seems to me we can do better than these repeated
> pissing-off-a-bridge competitions.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:53 PM, c b <cb31450 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>> Chris Doss:
>> I think the point was to address the question, "do states in
>> capitalist societies sometimes act consciously against the interests
>> of both domestic and foreign capitalists?" The answer appears to be
>> "yes," with the conclusion to be drawn that the Marxist notion that
>> the state in a capitalist society is merely the tool of the capitalist
>> class is false.
>>
>> ^^^^
>> CB: Which Marxist has said that the state in a capitalist society is
>> "merely the tool of the capitalist class ?"
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