the other thing, of course, and we've had this convo before, is that the women we're talking about are activist left feminists in afghanistan. that is: they have a feminist class analysis.
We've disagreed on that topic before though. I don't recall who was in the convo though. The disagreement is that the resonsing is supposedly circular. To which my response is, yeah, so the fuck what? I'm not too worried about those criticisms since, often times, as Carrol points out, it's just some exercise on the part of someone who was just hoping to put you in the "hypocrite" box from the gitgo, so why bother. it's not like the conversation is ever begun with a desire to truly engage. it's just done with a desire to engage in the schoolroom version of "gotcha".
What's that expression you use Carrol - schoolroom politics? sandbox politics?
shag
> shag carpet bomb wrote:
>
>> 2. they don't think dropping bombs on their heads will free them.
>> 3. they think that the leftist feminists in afghanistan should be
>> listened to and recognized as people with, as Eric Beck says, a
>> politics. that they are fully capable of figuring out what they want
>> and how they're going to get it, without us - left feminists -
>> stepping in to patronizingly explain to them what they want and what
>> they should do and take over to protect them from their men. our
>> job,
>> they repeatedly remind us, is to protect them from u.s. imperialism.
>
> Just hypothetically - and I mean that - what if evidence indicated
> that
> Afghan women, or some important vector of opinion thereof, welcomed
> NATO
> intervention on the basis of some sort of feminist reasoning. Similar
> (and stranger) things have happened in the world. Would that alter the
> views of the left feminists you're talking about?
>
> [Please note: I'm interested in how the specific people Shag is
> talking
> about might answer this question. I already know how others would
> answer
> the question. (Including you, Carrol!)]
>
> SA
>
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