Now Gallo wine. It depends on a number of things. No one would wep if the Ballo brothers fell down a deep well, but that isn't the point. In the mid-60s the developing Movement of Movements gained momentum from aiding the farmworkers orgqnizing in Califor ia, and Gallo was a particular target. Picketing a grocery store requires some organizing efforts, and experience in that is importan5t, especially in the early stages of a movement when most of the participants are new to such activity. And such a picket revealed in a given locality that the growing uproar had arrived and was visible. That would excite a few people and and the local movement would grow. It became part of the growing visibility of left activity, and it is growth in visibility that attracts mass support as well as new oraganizers. As to 1998 -- I don't remember the context well enough to comment. Was there a strike going on? In which case one should honor the boycott if they called for one. If I called you an idiot either (a) I was being silly or (b) I meant it in the Greek sense of "private person," perhaps in response to what I perceived as a moralistic rather than political thrust to whatever post I was responding to. I hve always opposed moral prssure on individuals in a non-political context. In a political context, say where a vigorous left has achieved some strength, I would of course be willing not only to pressure people to honor a collectively organized boycott, but beat up those who vioated it (depending on political temperature).
Carrol
shag carpet bomb wrote:
>
> so, that was fun. ARE there any good books or articles on the history of
> social movements and boycotts. yes, I am very familiar with the library. I
> was hoping for recommendations from people who knew of them.
>
> Also, at the meeting, when I mentioned I wasn't a fan of boycotts but that
> I'd go along with the group as long as the boycott was called for by
> _workers_, a couple of people got really upset with that argument. Others
> liked it though.
>
> Carrol, you've always promoted that position, where did you get the idea from?
>
> heh. fuckme. I'm remembering the time, way back in 1998, when Michael Yates
> bitched me and Chuck Grimes out for talking about drinking Gallo wine -
> which was a bit of a misunderstanding -- and then this big long discussion
> ensued where i believe Carrol called me an idiote. HA!
>
> At 07:57 AM 4/7/2010, shag carpet bomb wrote:
> >two things:
> >
> >was told the other day that Cornell West has a great take on Obama which
> >ostensibly shows that Obama is not all that and a bag of chips. Really?
> >
> >There was a discussion here once on boycotts and, if I'm remembering
> >correctly, how they are effective when they are combined with labor
> >actions. If no labor actions, then boycotts accomplish zippo.
> >
> >Do I have that right and, if so, where can I read up on this?
> >
> >If I have it wrong, where can I read up on a more accurate assessment of
> >the effectiveness of boycotts?
> >
> >shag
> >
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