I wish I could remember the convo and check the archives as to what was specifically said. The argument started b/c Carrol said something like: we, as white leftists, have to listen to what black activists say and advance their positions.
To which Doug replied to say that 90% of black voters support the democratic party, so what does that mean? vote for democrats and become democratic party activists? I stepped in to say that what Carrol probably meant is that we should be listening to black _left_ activists.
Someone asked me if this wasn't just a bit circular. I seem to recall that I got busy and never answered the question but my answer probably would have been something like: yeah. so?
man. looks like i have to read the Platypus thread in depth to find out what got everyone fired up.
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