[lbo-talk] another TP poll: still whiter, righter, more

[brad bauerly]

Bhaskar wrote:
>I'd vigorously contest this. ?Self-described liberals with operative
>social democratic politics are just a structural critique away from
>democratic socialism. ?The point is to argue to these people that
>basic protections and the welfare state are good, but not good enough.
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No, liberals believe in the Utopian project of liberal capitalism.
The tinkering around is all done on the periphery issues, the
capitalism part is not up for debate with most of them.  They will
spend endlessly and work tirelessly to make capitalism work.

Bhaskar wrote:
>I'm a firm believer in Lenin's old dicta that "without a Party the working class
>is nothing, with one it is everything."
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I am pretty sure that everyone here would agree with this...Lenin's
point it would seem to me is that without a party some of the working
class will be reactionary and conservative.  It is the job of this
party to overcome this through struggle.  The view that we need a pure
left movement before we can start anything has proven disastrous for
the left.

Brad