[lbo-talk] US workers in 2010 as compared to German workers in the 1930s

Mark Wain wtkh at comcast.net
Tue Aug 31 18:06:36 PDT 2010


On Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 1:10 pm Eric Beck wrote:

I'm not sure what your poorly formatted response is supposed to prove -- that "regular" people agree with you and so they are right? -- but it's not a response to what I wrote. ___________________________________ to which Mark Wain replies:

How would you reconcile your theory that Nazism cannot exist in the U.S. and the fact that there is increasingly more conspicuous evidence of Nazism tendency of the right wing group of which the Tea party is part, as reflected on many readers' minds?

When a theory can no longer reflect the objective reality, which one of the two sides that one need to correct, the reality or the theory? You may take issue on the Nazism tendency in the U.S. with the readership. Then what will be your purported elegantly formatted response to their viewpoints?

As capitalism has worsened, at least since the late 1970s, to its monopoly financial stage, both of the two parties have been gravitated towards a unitary and centralized political edifice, namely the right-deviationist conservatism. Previously decentralized and diversified "governing apparatus has made itself coterminous with the state" out of necessity for tending the shop that is increasingly larcenous in nature. It is a common knowledge that the monopoly financial capital has held the state hostage and blackmailed it with monopoly power and with "violent expropriation or trickery."

It is incorrect to say, "While Nazi Germany developed largely as an exception the world capitalist economy, the US today stands at the center of it."

No, the U.S. has stood at its center all right, nonetheless the world capitalist economy tends to a "thievery and corruption" based "exceptional" system.

Eric Beck:

2010/8/29 Mark Wain <wtkh at comcast.net>:


> >What kinds of lessons can we draw from the comparisons?


>The comparisons make good for good wonkery, but the lessons you can
draw from it would be completely spurious. Unless you think history is merely the repetition of the same.


>Two huge differences: One, today in the US, no one party or governing
apparatus has made itself coterminous with the state; the existence of the tea parties indicates that Nazism is at bay, not at the door. Second, the Nazis' economic and military buildup was done in isolation and in many ways through thievery and corruption. The US today, on the other hand, draws investment by consent and agreement, not violent expropriation or trickery. While Nazi Germany developed largely as an exception the world capitalist economy, the US today stands at the center of it.

To which Mark Wain replies:

Your assessment about the current political situation in the U.S. seems to be obsolete. It might apply , with some hesitation, before Ronald Reagan wielded power but, iny case, certainly it does not, now.

I like to cite a few comments on two recent New York Times articles, from which one can easily understand that ordinary folks in this country are more politically sensitive than Marxists in general, who have woefully lost contact with reality:

For readers' comment see my letter


>From Mark Wain

Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:15 AM

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