[lbo-talk] lbo-talk Digest, Vol 1123, Issue 4/reply to brad b

[shag carpet bomb]

my memory of cheap motels was that you found the people who lived in cities 
among the worst in terms of their lack of politeness, their rudeness. the 
story you told of the woman you had over for dinner, the one who went to 
the bathroom to do crosswords during dinner, while she shouted out to you 
and your companions was a hoot. plus, I also seem to recall that you said 
that you wanted, all your life, to live in NYC but people were not at all 
generous when you go there, even people who were among the lefty circles 
that you traveled in. that was a depressing part to read - how shitty 
lefties are to one another. it nearly three years ago i read the book 
though so maybe i'm misremembering.

At 11:37 PM 2/4/2010, MICHAEL YATES wrote:


>I have never in my life attacked the rural.  Southern Utah is one of my 
>very favorite locales and hardly anyone lives there. I don't much like 
>suburbs and exurbs.  The houses are too big and wasteful of energy.  Most 
>of them are pretty ugly too.  All too often people never leave their 
>houses, and there is not much social interaction.  Too much of the rural 
>has been destroyed to make the suburbs and exurbs (like in John Gorka's 
>song Houses in the Fields.)  Please note that I am not making any comments 
>on the people who live in suburbs, exurbs, or in the countryside.  Or 
>cities, either.  Except to say that there appears to be a lot of human 
>misery in all of them. Not to say that there isn't joy too.
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>I don't want to inflame Carrol Cox, so let me just say that, for me, I 
>have to try to get the lay of the land. Kept me out of harm's way on more 
>than one occasion!  Learning the lay of the land and how it was changing 
>(which is part of what it is in the first place) helped us, for example, 
>to grasp that it might be possible to unionize the workers on the campus 
>where I taught.  What we have to try to grasp, as best we can, are the 
>possibilites implict in the lay of the land.  What are the tendencies?
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>And the lay of the land doesn't just change.  We do make our own history, 
>even though the weight of the past
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>is bearing down on us.
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