[lbo-talk] The zen of marx (was clarification)

Shane Mage shmage at pipeline.com
Sun Feb 14 19:19:58 PST 2010


On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Lakshmi Rhone wrote:


> OK I am lost.
> Why are we seeing societies as organic stages in natural history?...

The point is that it is not societies, but human civilization (and before it human evolution) itself, that is an organic stage in natural history (assuming that human civilization is not fated to destroy itself), in which case it would have been merely a misstep in natural history.


>
> Why do contradictions have to be in time?...

Contradictions can be logical, ie., timeless. Such contradictions are the terms of thought, not of reality. Reality is ever changing, not timeless. Because everything that changes (ie., everything) has changed from something that it is no longer and is changing into something that it is not yet, its notion must comprehend both that which it is and that which it is not--ie., a contradiction.


> ...Two opposite sides of a coin are inseparable at any one point in
> time...

If there were points in time Achilles would never overtake the tortoise.

Shane Mage


> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
> kindling in measures and going out in measures."
>
> Herakleitos of Ephesos
>



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