[lbo-talk] The zen of marx (was clarification)

Matthias Wasser matthias.wasser at gmail.com
Tue Feb 16 15:13:46 PST 2010


On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu> wrote:


> However, I can't imagine a society that "eliminates the independent of will
> phenomenon". All societies have social structures that exist prior to the
> individual and shape individual's lives above and beyond any personal
> choices. Examples: language, norms, economic mode of production. Getting
> rid of the technical division of labor simply means that other forms of
> social structure with different emergent properties would assert an
> independent effect on individuals' lives.

Neither can I - which implies, to me, that I'm misinterpreting what people mean when they say that capitalist but not precapitalist societies operated independently of human will. So, people who endorse that statement: in what way were precapitalist societies dependent on human will?

(Actually, my real intuition is that to describe a society (any society) as independent of human will is like describing a macroscopic object as independent of the behavior of atoms. For a great many purposes it can be described without reference to atoms, but that doesn't mean it's no longer a supervention over atoms.)



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