Its the territory that you live in because you refuse to take on the big health insurers and as a result their lobbyists craft the reform. As long as leftists accept this as the given territory to work within reform will be a sham. Doesn't the government insist that people buy insurance under pain of being fined and with government subsidising premiums of those with lowest incomes? This is less a case of compromise than regulatory capture in which the insurance corporations profit from govt. imposed regulations.
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--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Max Sawicky <sawicky at verizon.net> wrote:
> From: Max Sawicky <sawicky at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Good point from National Review
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:02 PM
> If the new employer has group
> coverage, you'll get that, just like before.
> If he doesn't, you can't bring your old policy with you but
> at least you'll
> have access to the new menu. How good or bad it will
> be remains to
> be seen, but it will provide a choice not currently
> available.
>
> The change for the better is certainly in doubt, but there
> seems no
> case for a change for the worse.
>
> Since people will be required to buy into the new system if
> they lack
> other coverage, I'd say there will be pressure to improve
> its inevitable
> inadequacies, with public money if necessary. I think
> that's why the
> GOP hate hate hates the prospect of the reform. It
> commits the
> Gov to perfecting its vehicle for universal access to
> health insurance.
>
> The inscos don't hate it because they get a piece of the
> action.
> I'll repeat a point I made before: under a welfare
> state, as opposed
> to social-democracy, the state coopts providers (in this
> case,
> insurance companies) into public benefits, gaining
> political support
> at the cost of some quality in the result. That's the
> territory we
> live in.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > RE: As things stand, the boss can always drop one plan
> for something
> > cheaper, and worse, if his employees let him get away
> with it. What
> > is different?
> >
> > [WS:] But how about his other point that you may still
> lose your insurance
> > when you change jobs? Many corporations have some
> kind of waiting period
> > for new employees .
> >
> > The way I understand his argument is not that it is
> Obama's fault but Obama
> > is creating false hopes with his "reform" - a point
> that resonates with me.
> >
> > Wojtek
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Max Sawicky <sawicky at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> This whole spiel never made any sense. And who
> the fuck is Deroy
> >> Murdock, if not some political hack. The fear
> apparently is, you are
> >> sitting there with employer provided insurance,
> some alternative shows
> >> up (public option, different plan becomes
> available, either of which
> >> are cheaper and crappier), and you get switched to
> something worse.
> >>
> >> The terms of your implicit deal with the boss is
> you get some $$$ and
> >> some benefits. Absent some kind of explicit,
> legally-binding
> >> contract, there is no more reason under ObamaCare
> to arbitrarily
> >> reduce your compensation than before. If bosses
> want some fig leaf
> >> they can call health insurance and cram it down
> their workers'
> >> throats, they can do it now.
> >>
> >> As things stand, the boss can always drop one plan
> for something
> >> cheaper, and worse, if his employees let him get
> away with it. What
> >> is different?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Left-Wing Wacko
> >> <leftwingwacko at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > *
> >> >
> >> http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWQ4MDI5ZDU0YjAxNmM5MzEzYzc1NjM0ZDkyNDRlYWE
> >> > =*
> >> > **
> >> > *Yes We Can Lose Our Health Insurance
> >> > *Kiss your current coverage goodbye.
> >> >
> >> > By Deroy Murdock
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