[lbo-talk] March 4

Chris Doss lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 8 19:57:35 PST 2010


I'm not sure socialism (of any but the most primitive variety) ever percolated down to the peasantry in the Russian Empire. They were collectivized for a reason. Since a peasant over the subsistence level sells the products of his or her own labor, this is not surprising.

BTW, it's been a long time since I've read it, but isn't the high speed of industrialization in the late Russian Empire one of Trotsky's big points in Results and Prospects?

----- Original Message ---- From: Somebody Somebody <philos_case at yahoo.com>

What made the October Revolution possible was the additional factor of socialist and anarchist ideology that had been stewing in the country through the second half of the 19th century. That's the other takeaway we can take from Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, who both felt the need to respond in their peculiar ways to that growing class consciousness. It took about the same amount of time, say a half century, for socialism to percolate down to the masses of soldiers and peasants in China as well. Problem is, socialism is a dead letter for the masses today, whether in New York, Bangkok, Warsaw, or Lagos.

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