honestly? I've read through this thread and I don't understand what is at
> stake...
>
omigod! omigod! if lefties say big meanie stuff about the religious, those
> religious people are neeever eeever gonna like us.
>
You obviously haven't read it very carefully, if your straw man there is the problem you imagine most of us to have with the likes or Parenti.
-- "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað."