[lbo-talk] European Welfare State

joel schalit jschalit at gmail.com
Mon Oct 4 11:30:47 PDT 2010


Thanks for explaining this, Angelus. It sounds about right, to me, based on what I've observed here.

In your experience, on the German left, has there been any efforts to classify or understand discrimination against German Muslims, as being consistent with anti-Semitism?

I'm not particularly interested in the obvious commitments progressives have to universalism, per se, in criticizing racism, as much as this specific cultural tie-in, in particular.

It's an interesting question to conjecture, as most of my Israeli friends in Berlin are always surprised that Germans they know don't sense such continuities the way they do.

Joel

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Angelus Novus <fuerdenkommunismus at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Joanna:
>
>> Do you think Germany is more racist than other European countries?
>
> I'm reluctant to make statements about other countries, as I am not informed
> enough.  I do get the impression from pop culture and newspapers that
> immigration is regarded as far more of a fait accompli in Great Britain or
> France.  Whereas in Germany, one still tends to think of third or fourth or even
> fifth generation descendents of Anatolian immigrants as being "foreigners".
>
>
> Openly fascist parties have less of a chance of succeeding at a national level
> (regional level is another story; the NPD has percentages of a mainstream party
> in some cities and municipalities in the East), but the mainstream has a way of
> appropriating racist discourse so that it really doesn't *need* the outlet of
> formal parties.  It used to be the stated aim of the CSU (the Bavarian sister
> party of the CDU) to integrate all forces of the right, i.e. an organized
> political force to the right of the CSU was considered a taboo, whereas the base
> constituting such a force has its rightful place in the CSU.
>
> There was a good article in the newspaper Jungle World a while back about how
> "conservatism" as an actual political tendency is an anachronism of the 19th
> century, representing clerical and monarchist forces at odds with both
> liberalism and socialism.  Contemporary "conservative" programs have economic
> and social programs indistinguishable from the neo-liberal mainstream that
> encompasses other parties, so what distinguishes them as "conservatives" is
> basically their appeal to racism.  That sounds about right to me.
>
>
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