[lbo-talk] The myth of Obama blunders and weakness

Bill Bartlett billbartlett at aapt.net.au
Mon Aug 1 19:25:12 PDT 2011


Carrol appears to be mixing up what Julio said, with what SA said in response. Not his fault, I see from SA's post that he failed to distinguish between his response and what he was responding to.

The first para quoted by Carrol is from Julio's post, but SA didn't put it in quotes or in any way distinguish it from his own comments.

Then Carrol quotes the conflated mess, confusing things even more. This sort of practice tends to make it hard, you have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out who said what.

Bill Bartlett Bracknell Tas

At 7:23 PM -0500 1/8/11, Carrol Cox wrote:


>On 8/1/2011 1:37 PM, SA wrote: On 8/1/2011 2:11 PM, Julio Huato wrote:
>
>I am absolutely convinced that voting for Obama, and calling people
>to vote for Obama, was the right thing to do in 2008. It wasn't -- I
>argued then -- about Obama personally, but about disenfranchised
>sectors of the working people -- Blacks and Hispanics, the youth, in
>the U.S. and abroad -- who, as anybody with eyes could see, felt the
>fervent need to have a Black man in the White House, and got deeply
>vested in the campaign. It wasn't about a self-infatuated individual
>making it big time, but about groups of people crushed by social
>order who needed to expand the scope of what they deemed possible.
>
>Have you considered the idea that expanding the sense of the
>possible by putting a (neoliberal) black man in the WH became a
>substitute for -- rather than a spur to -- a more radical expansion
>of the sense of the possible?
>
>
>------
>
>This is sort of funny. The world would be exactly the same, if all
>the radicals who supported or all the radical who opposed Obama had
>spent their time rooting for some baseball team instead of playing
>politics. No one was listening!
>
>There has never been a presidential election in which the opinions
>or the activity of radicals made the least difference in the
>outcome. There never will be. But if it entertains you I guess you
>can say it adds to the total of human happiness.
>
>Carrol
>
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