> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wojtek S" <wsoko52 at gmail.com>
>
> [WS:] This puts to rest the long brewing on this list controversy
> about the "progressive mandate" that Obama or any other politician
> supposedly received from the voters. These results clearly show that
> there is no such a thing - progressives have no chance of gaining any
> meaningful electoral victory under the current system, and most
> politicians understand that darn well. End of story. It is time that
> people who think otherwise wake up and stop deluding themselves.
>
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> This rests on the assumption that the dems represented a progressive
> alternative.
>
> Joanna
>
It also rests on the assumption that the Obama admin's actions haven't been pivotal in clarifying to many progressives - yes, I know, not radicals - that Dems DON'T represent a progressive alternative. Nevertheless, given Woj's assumptions, he could argue that the admin's actions don't apply to state level politics so much but that'd mean ignoring or forgetting or just not thinking broadly enough to engage the long history and high rate of failed recalls everywhere and always… A