Wojtek
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Alan Rudy <alan.rudy at gmail.com> wrote:
> There's already been a definitional exchange on this topic... about six
> months ago.
> If you want to introduce new material please review the prior discussion
> and
> situate yourself relative to what a number of us contributed then.
> Otherwise,
> what's the point other than you insisting that you understand things the
> rest of
> us don't.
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [WS:] Speaking of precision, the Euro-American view of fascism as
> > something very uniquely horrifying in history seems rather imprecise.
> > In fact, Euro fascist atrocities have plenty of historical precedence
> > - the only difference is that in the victims of Euro fascist were
> > white, whereas the victims of other fascist violence were yellow,
> > brown, or black. That is why, imho, Euro fascism appears so uniquely
> > horrifying to European and American whites. Case in point: Nazi
> > atrocities in Europe pale in comparison to Japanese atrocities in
> > China, yet the former receive all the attention whereas the latter are
> > barely mentioned. But then again, the victims of the former where
> > white, whereas the victims of the latter where Asian.
> >
> > If we abandon the ethnocentric view of fascist victimization and stop
> > erroneously believing that fascism is something unique and
> > unprecedented and accept the fact it is something quite common in
> > history, there will be nothing imprecise in calling US right wingers
> > fascists. They are fascist in their hearts, they just happen to
> > operate within the constraints of a liberal state which limits what
> > they can do to their political enemies. But those constraints are not
> > unbreachable (cf. McCarthy)
> >
> > Wojtek
> >
> >
> > On 2/24/11, Marv Gandall <marvgand at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Precision, dear boy, precision. You said "the GOP as a whole" was
> > > "full-blown fascist". :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2011-02-24, at 4:00 PM, Wojtek S wrote:
> > >
> > >> I do not think the repugs will do it themselves - more likely, they
> will
> > >> use
> > >> goons (militias, klansmen, think tanks etc) to do the dirty work for
> > >> them.
> > >> If the Wisconsin protests escalate, (and I wholeheartedly hope they
> > will)
> > >> it is not the question of whether but when.
> > >>
> > >> Wojtek
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Marv Gandall <marvgand at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 2011-02-24, at 12:37 PM, Wojtek S wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Why do you call it proto-fascism? These guys, and GOP as whole I
> may
> > >>> add,
> > >>>> are full blown fascists, there is no reason to pull wool over it.
> The
> > >>> only
> > >>>> difference between them and the Nazis, the Mussolinis, the Pinochets
> > and
> > >>> the
> > >>>> Videlas is that GOP does not have the power to do as they please
> with
> > >>> their
> > >>>> enemies, or perhaps not yet.
> > >>>
> > >>> I propose we reserve judgement on this question until the Republicans
> > >>> give
> > >>> the order to open fire on unarmed demonstrators, ban opposing
> political
> > >>> parties, purge left-wing academics from universities, and shut down
> all
> > >>> avenues of democratic expression, including lbo-talk.
> > >>>
> > >>>
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