[lbo-talk] Democrats drop the collective bargaining issue in the recall campaigns

Carrol Cox cbcox at ilstu.edu
Fri Jul 15 13:09:53 PDT 2011


Bringing in the Nazis without fail sends the conversation off the t rack. "There's just right-wing all the way down" was an excellent start but the rest goes ovv the cliff into babble (which ravi very seldom offers). Why in the world would the capitalists want even a pale imitation of a Hitler whenthey've got something so much better in Obama. What we are seeing is the progressive immiseration of U.S. workers (sat all levels of pay: immiseration is a relative not absolute category) The following passages from Wages, Price and Profitr are far more useful for our understanding than scarecrows like Hitler. Doug is quite right about that.

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The *will* of the capitalist is certainly to take as much as possible. What we have to do is not to talk about his *will*, but to inquire into his *power*, the *limits of that power*, and the *character of those limits*.

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"As to the *limitations of the working day* in England, as in all other countries, it has never been settled except by *legislative interference*. Without the working men's continuous pressure from without that interference would never have taken place. . . This very necessity of *general political action* affords the proof that in its merely economic action capital is the stronger side.

On Jul 15, 2011, at 3:08 PM, // ravi wrote:

That was probably the strategy of Hitler's opponents in Germany. :-) The trouble for us citizens is that there is no such thing as "right-wing nuttery". There's just right-wing all the way down to the gas chambers, exerting it's constant gravitational pull on the centre. Yes? Maybe, maybe not. Remember the Nazis thrived on the fact that there were militant left wingers that scared a bunch of the population - and they hijacked their socialist rhetoric. Nothing like that now, really. Doug



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