[lbo-talk] Democrats drop the collective bargaining issue in the recall campaigns

[Carrol Cox]

Bringing in the Nazis without fail sends the conversation off the t rack.
"There's just right-wing all the way down" was an excellent start but the
rest goes ovv the cliff into babble (which ravi very seldom offers). Why in
the world would the capitalists want even a pale imitation of a Hitler
whenthey've got something so much better in Obama. What we are seeing is the
progressive immiseration of U.S. workers (sat all levels of pay:
immiseration is a relative not absolute category) The following passages
from Wages, Price and Profitr are far more useful for our understanding than
scarecrows like Hitler. Doug is quite right about that. 

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The *will* of the capitalist is certainly to take as much as possible. What
we have to do is not to talk about his *will*, but to inquire into his
*power*, the *limits of that power*, and the *character of those limits*. 

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"As to the *limitations of the working day* in England, as in all other
countries, it has never been settled except by *legislative interference*.
Without the working men's continuous pressure from without that interference
would never have taken place. . . This very necessity of *general political
action* affords the proof that in its merely economic action capital is the
stronger side. 

On Jul 15, 2011, at 3:08 PM, // ravi wrote: 

That was probably the strategy of Hitler's opponents in Germany. :-) The
trouble for us citizens is that there is no such thing as "right-wing
nuttery". There's just right-wing all the way down to the gas chambers,
exerting it's constant gravitational pull on the centre. Yes? Maybe, maybe
not. Remember the Nazis thrived on the fact that there were militant left
wingers that scared a bunch of the population - and they hijacked their
socialist rhetoric. Nothing like that now, really.  Doug