[lbo-talk] [Pen-l] Todd Gitlin: the most pompous ass ever?

Wojtek S wsoko52 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 9 07:51:47 PDT 2011


Cde Bond: "he argued that Gandhi would have supported Hamas' rocket launches."

[WS:] Israeli-Palestinian relations are a toxic subject and I am very hesitant to touch it - but this remark has broader significance for a strategy of social change.

I agree with Orwell http://www.k-1.com/Orwell/site/work/essays/ghandi.html that Gandhi's strategy of peaceful civil disobedience could work only in a very specific context - the final days of the British rule in India when the Brits were essentially looking for a face-saving exit strategy. Peaceful protest could gently nudge them them toward accepting "the wisdom of leaving" while saving their face as a civilized, human rights respecting people (which is of course laughable given their prior and subsequent atrocities cf. the suppression of the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya.) However, in different times or a different place this strategy would not work -cf. the 1919 Amritsar massacre of peaceful protesters for which the British war criminal General Dyer was never tried.

But the same can be said about armed insurrection. It may work under some circumstances, but to be quite suicidal under other. Case in point, the Warsaw Uprising of 1944 launched to wrestle the control of the city from Germans as the Red Army was approaching the city. Aside grave tactical errors (the insurgents grossly miscalculated the balance of the Germans and the Russian forces) - the uprising had no chance of achieving its strategic objective - preventing the Russians from taking control of the Polish capital - even if the tactical goals had been accomplished. It was a suicide mission that resulted in the total destruction of the city and a slaughter of its civilian population. But in a different context - cf. French Resistance liberating Paris before the advancing Allied troops - the strategy worked.

As I see it, the rocket attacks on Israel are closer to what the Polish resistance did in Warsaw than to what the French resistance did in Paris. It is suicidal.

Wojtek



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