[lbo-talk] [Pen-l] Todd Gitlin: the most pompous ass ever?

Robert Naiman naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
Sat Jun 11 10:04:56 PDT 2011


To me, this is the disagreement between us: you want to split hairs on the ideological question of violence, for reasons that seem murky to me. While I think the focus of attention should be the question: what would attract more supportive international attention to Palestinians who are engaging in nonviolent resistance?

Jewish Voice for Peace has an alert out, asking people to contact the State Department in support of Bassem and Naji Tamimi, organizers of nonviolent resistance in Nabi Saleh, arrested by the Israeli authorities. At JVP's last report, 5000 Americans had taken action on their alert. That's a start, but in the sea of US public opinion, it is not very impressive. What change of circumstances would cause more Americans to support Jewish Voice for Peace's efforts on behalf of Bassem and Naji Tamimi?

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Jewish Voice for Peace: More Palestinian leaders wrongly imprisoned Bassem and Naji Tamimi, from the village of Nabi Saleh, are being punished for organizing nonviolent resistance to the Israeli occupation. Urge the State Department to demand the Tamimis' release. http://bit.ly/tamimis

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Joseph Catron <jncatron at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Robert Naiman
> <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
>
>> Whether they oppose the rocket fire is much less important at the
>> moment than what they do collectively in their own demonstrations in
>> terms of keeping them nonviolent.
>
> Once live gunfire begins, do you imagine that's anyone's priority?
>
>>
>> Still, the rocket fire has a real political and human cost for the
>> Palestinians, and over time, as nonviolent resistance grows in
>> Palestine politically, it's going to increasingly compete politically
>> with rocket fire, because the political space is finite, and when they
>> are in political proximity, the use of violent resistance undermines
>> the use of nonviolent resistance. In fact, nonviolent resistance has
>> been competing politically with violence in Palestine for some time,
>> with increasing success. Eventually, I suspect, nonviolent resistance
>> will win this political competition.
>
> If you say so. I've wracked my brain, and I can't think of a single
> anticolonial struggle which has followed the narrative you propose here,
> which seems to me like a distinctly Western vulgarization of Indian history.
>
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> lytlað."
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