Carrol
On 6/14/2011 9:00 AM, brad wrote:
> Carrol wrote:
> The problem with the DP is NOT that "they don't
> support our whole program." The 'trouble' with the DP is that they
> constitute the main enemy. I don't 'criticize' them anymore than
> Churchill 'criticized' Hitler. They (or rather it, the leadership)
> oppose (quite successfully most of the time) everything a "left" (if one
> existed) would favor.
>
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> This is an example of the exact thing I was saying: you don't
> understand US politics, or politics in general, if you think the DP is
> monolithic and will always oppose everything a [the] "left" would
> [does] favor. How is the DP the main enemy? You act as if a member
> of the DP has never and could never do anything good. As I said, way
> too much faith in liberal democracy to only meet the needs of capital
> and not workers. I am afraid it is more contingent than that.
>
> I would posit that political action comes to a stop around elections
> not because of the DP but because of the leadership of those movements
> who have too much faith in the system to screw workers and stop all
> action outside of voting. It might be interesting to watch what is
> happening with SEIU and others calls to ratchet up actions and to not
> give unconditional support to the DP (I am not holding my breath
> though, but it makes my point about it being a problem of leadership).
>
> And your semantic bullshit only makes you look like a fool. Reminds
> me of the Pomo profs I had who would attack endlessly how a student
> said or wrote something only because they were completely inept to
> deal with what they said or wrote (which is pretty much what most of
> Pomo is: attacks on form not substance).
>
> Brad
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