[lbo-talk] vaca reading

Mark Bennett bennett.mab at gmail.com
Wed May 11 11:31:24 PDT 2011


But did Strauss believe that he had "contradicted" Hobbes, or that he merely had identified the esoteric meaning beneath the quoted passage? That's the fun in the esoteric game: you can wriggle out of anything.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Chuck Grimes <c123grimes at att.net> wrote:


> Yes, I would say my real education began when I started reading original
> sources.
>
> Joanna
> -----------
>
> There is a kind of equivalent to this not reading but lots of opinion on
> something in
> art history and criticism by people who don't know how to make art. They
> get their phd without picking up a bush where they have to make something.
>
> I reconfronted this problem the minute I read Shadia Dury's take down of
> LS. I had to read LS which turned out to be his opinion of what a long list
> of other philosophers had written. So then I had to read them and see what
> LS was doing. He had read them alright, but he had written mostly bad
> interpretations, making their original arguments into straw men. I finally
> got him in a direct contradiction in Hobbes, Leviathan Thank god LS had
> footnoted similar passages in De Cive. Well so I didn't have to go through
> the whole tedious Hobbes.
>
> Bad scholarship or a lie, I couldn't tell. When LS turned to Calvin, I
> stopped. I am not going to read and analyze Calvin, period, unless somebody
> pays me. And I was only working on LS's first book on Spinzoa----another
> fascinating character in an intensely interesting time and place, Amsterdam
> 1660s. Strauss hated him on some
> twisted principle I could never figure out. But this gave me a lot of
> insights into the
> current push pull battle with Israel and US Jews, and the enlightenment
> principle of
> freedom of speech for intellectuals like Kushner.
>
> Nobody I know could understand why I found LS fascinating and he was such a
> rightwing pig anyhow... It was the fun of doing scholarship, like I had
> never done
> in school against an intellectual enemy. Catch him out. LS had footnoted
> his own passage, which directly contradicted what Hobbes and written when
> you track back to the source. There's is a reward somehow in that.
>
> CG
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