Wojtek S wrote: What is truly pathetic about the new left commentariat talk about the OBL assassination is not that much what they are saying but when and how.
Dennis: They should have talked about his assassination before it happened?
Where were these self-styled defenders of justice when anonymous civilians were blown into pieces?
You haven't identified anyone in particular (the very definition of a strawperson argument,) but I'll venture that there is much crossover between the population of people writing against the deaths of anonymous civilians and the population writing critically about the end of OBL.
You have evidence to the contrary? You do the grunt work first since you're the one making the assertion.
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Well, let’s see: there are the several million “anonymous civilians” of Vietnam. There are quite a few anonymous civilians dead in Belgrade; there’s Gaza. How many Palestinian anonymous civilians have died in the last 50 years. And there are the thousands that died after the original 911 in Chile. There are the uncounted dead in Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Haiti, Angola. They have never particularly roused Wojtek’s concern – they are _really_ anonymous. But the real reason they have never aroused his concern is that they do not possess F16s, B52s, or cruise missiles. What makes them anonymous is that they can’t fight back. Partticularly, they can’t fight back and dismiss the casualties as “collateral damage.” Well, a few of them found a way to make at least a gesture towards fighting back. It is true that there were a few thousand deaths due to collateral damage, but all in all nothing to compare to Gaza or the West Bank or Laos. In fact, the collateral damage was pretty tivial.
Bin Laden will get mildly sympathetic footnotes in some future histories; the U.S. presidents of the last 50 years; Kennedy and LBJ & Nixon and Carter (East Timor; El Salvador, Afghanistan), Reagan, Herman Goering, Hirohito, Bush 1, Clinton, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Bush 2, Obama, Tojo, the general in command at Nanking will be grouped in some museum to scare children. There are many others from around the world who belong in that museum, but I happen to live in the U.S. & its behavior of course more concerns me.
Carrol
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Not in My Name
Before I start this poem, I'd like to ask you to join me in a moment of silence in honor of those who died in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon last September 11th.
I would also like to ask you to offer up a moment of silence for all of those who have been harassed, imprisoned, disappeared, tortured, raped, or killed in retaliation for those strikes, for the victims in both Afghanistan and the U.S.
And if I could just add one more thing A full day of silence for the tens of thousands of Palestinians who have died at the hands of U.S.-backed Israeli forces over decades of occupation.
Six months of silence for the million and-a-half Iraqi people, mostly children, who have died of malnourishment or starvation as a result of an 11-year U.S. embargo against the country.
Before I begin this poem, two months of silence for the Blacks under Apartheid in South Africa, where homeland security made them aliens in their own country
Nine months of silence for the dead in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where death rained down and peeled back every layer of concrete, steel, earth and skin and the survivors went on as if alive.
A year of silence for the millions of dead in Viet Nam - a people, not a war - for those who know a thing or two about the scent of burning fuel, their relatives' bones buried in it, their babies born of it.
A year of silence for the dead in Cambodia and Laos, victims of a secret war ... ssssshhhhh .... Say nothing ... we don't want them to learn that they are dead.
Two months of silence for the decades of dead in Colombia, whose names, like the corpses they once represented, have piled up and slipped off our tongues.
Before I begin this poem, An hour of silence for El Salvador ... An afternoon of silence for Nicaragua ... Two days of silence for the Guetmaltecos ... None of whom ever knew a moment of peace in their living years. 45 seconds of silence for the 45 dead at Acteal, Chiapas 25 years of silence for the hundred million Africans who found their graves far deeper in the ocean than any building could poke into the sky. There will be no DNA testing or dental records to identify their remains. And for those who were strung and swung from the heights of sycamore trees in the south, the north, the east, and the west ... 100 years of silence ... For the hundreds of millions of indigenous peoples from this half of right here, Whose land and lives were stolen, In postcard-perfect plots like Pine Ridge, Wounded Knee, Sand Creek, Fallen Timbers, or the Trail of Tears. Names now reduced to innocuous magnetic poetry on the refrigerator of our consciousness ...
So you want a moment of silence? And we are all left speechless Our tongues snatched from our mouths Our eyes stapled shut
A moment of silence And the poets have all been laid to rest The drums disintegrating into dust
Before I begin this poem, You want a moment of silence You mourn now as if the world will never be the same
And the rest of us hope to hell it won't be. Not like it always has been
Because this is not a 9-1-1 poem This is a 9/10 poem, It is a 9/9 poem, A 9/8 poem, A 9/7 poem
This is a 1492 poem. This is a poem about what causes poems like this to be written
And if this is a 9/11 poem, then This is a September 11th poem for Chile, 1971 This is a September 12th poem for Steven Biko in South Africa, 1977 This is a September 13th poem for the brothers at Attica Prison, New York, 1971.
This is a September 14th poem for Somalia, 1992. This is a poem for every date that falls to the ground in ashes This is a poem for the 110 stories that were never told The 110 stories that history chose not to write in textbooks The 110 stories that that CNN, BBC, The New York Times, and Newsweek ignored This is a poem for interrupting this program.
And still you want a moment of silence for your dead? We could give you lifetimes of empty: The unmarked graves The lost languages The uprooted trees and histories The dead stares on the faces of nameless children
Before I start this poem we could be silent forever Or just long enough to hunger, For the dust to bury us And you would still ask us For more of our silence.
If you want a moment of silence Then stop the oil pumps Turn off the engines and the televisions Sink the cruise ships Crash the stock markets Unplug the marquee lights, Delete the instant messages, Derail the trains, the light rail transit If you want a moment of silence, put a brick through the window of Taco Bell, And pay the workers for wages lost Tear down the liquor stores, The townhouses, the White Houses, the jailhouses, the Penthouses and the Playboys.
If you want a moment of silence, Then take it On Super Bowl Sunday, The Fourth of July During Dayton's 13 hour sale Or the next time your white guilt fills the room where my beautiful people have gathered
You want a moment of silence Then take it Now, Before this poem begins. Here, in the echo of my voice, In the pause between goosesteps of the second hand In the space between bodies in embrace, Here is your silence Take it. But take it all Don't cut in line. Let your silence begin at the beginning of crime.
But we, Tonight we will keep right on singing For our dead.
- Emmanuel Ortiz 9.11.02s