[lbo-talk] RTe: The revolution will not be televised

Carrol Cox cbcox at ilstu.edu
Mon May 30 20:17:49 PDT 2011


Speaking of good and bad political art is aboaut as absurd a conversation as I can imagine.

Anything is political only in a political context. Some texts that work in such a context also are interesting in other contexts. That does NOT make them "better political art" -- it only means that besides serving a political purpose they intrigue otherwise.

I know of only one song that is political in non-political contexts (because it makes any context political): La Marseillaise.

If a crowd in a political context responds favorably to a song, whether by signing it or listening to it, then it is as good as a political song can be. And it is stupid to debate its merits outside of that context. Some such songs are also good songs to listen to. That's a bonus, but it doesn't make them better political art.

Michael has it precisely right.

Carrol

P.S. The same criteria apply to political speech. If the audience is made up of leftists, and they like it, and it enthuses them, then it is a good political speech, and debate about its merits outside that context is foolish.

On 5/30/2011 9:04 PM, Michael Pollak wrote:
>
> On Mon, 30 May 2011, Doug Henwood wrote:
>
>> I was thinking of doing a radio show on political music - why so much
>> of it sucks, and what makes the good stuff, like Gil Scott-Heron, not
>> suck. Any ideas, either for substance or guests?
>
> One idea that keeps occuring to me is that most famous political music
> was selected out because it served a purpose. It was for integrating
> crowds, making them feel not like strangers but part of a common
> endeavor, and perking up their morale during long boring vigils --
> walking pickets, occupying demonstrating. And to do this, it had to
> be singable by the crowd -- at least the chorus. And I'm guess that
> most of the elements of what you consider suckiness is a function of
> this: lower musical complexity, slower tempos, simpler words, and a
> general folkiness.
>
> Folk clearly isn't our medium these days. But the problem with most
> more sophisticated music is that it's not something the crowd can
> sing. It's easy to make much better songs than the famous political
> songs. Gang of Four's Entertainment is one brilliant political song
> after another. But nothing a crowd can sing. Which means they will
> never be identified with a movement. And thus never make it onto
> those lists of "great political songs."
>
> I guess you could simply stop there and say great music should be
> great music and fuck getting people at political actions to sing along
> because that's not your thing -- that that whole project of using
> music to make strangers feel part of an instant whole is not one you
> care for.
>
> Which, if so, I think would kind of answer the question.
>
> But, if you're open to the idea there is a role for at least some
> political music that animates a crowd, and where the crowd can join in
> feel that pleasure and power of being in sync (which you can get even
> from successfully singing even the hokiest choral music), then another
> option would be to consider how musicians could reinvent the wheel to
> suit our present tastes.
>
> Pete Seegar pretty much consciously invented and popularized the
> sing-along for the express purpose of making folk forms work for
> people who had never grown up in folk music cultures and knew none of
> the tunes. The chorus came in simple lines, and there's be a bridge
> where he told you what to sing while the music approached it. The
> crowd was rewarded with this big sound that they made that sounded
> good enough. This wasn't a natural protest music. It was created.
>
> It occurred to me last week that maybe an analogous form for modern
> times would be the call-and-response motifs of rap and funk forms.
> The few concerts of this stuff I've gone to, while cool as hell, often
> seemed oddly homologous to pep rallies -- like egging on one side of
> the room to yell louder than the other. Which is essentially perfect
> for the purpose of firing up a crowd. Fight the Power comes to mind
> as one of the few famous modern political songs you can easily get a
> crowd to sing and respond to.
>
> Anyway, this thought occurred to me when I saw the attached video,
> which, for all its nerdity, I thought rocked -- a very profane, very
> funny 2 minute rant on climate change stupidity:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFTddFk6zb8
>
> And I thought, nerdy as that is, I could it being used to fire up a
> real crowd if we ever had a climate change movement. Even just
> watching at home by the end I started joining in on the "Noooooo!"
> And if you did that with 10,000 people, you'd get the same feeling of
> massed power you get with those hymns tunes -- but better, because
> more tuned to our tastes, and more faster, louder and profaner.
>
> Also it's fascinating how you can pack 2 two minutes of rap with an
> absolutely astonishing amount of information. Which, given modern
> portability, every nerd would memorize.
>
> Anyway, that's my two cents worth of reflection.
>
> Michael
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