As noted before, there are two issues: 1) Whether democratic procedure was followed or affronted, and totally aside from that, 2) whether any property destruction was a good idea. If they agreed unanimously to burn down a police station, I would have to say that is probably not a good idea (#2).
Or as George Carlin said in reference to 9-11, "not funny."
It should be obvious that the wisdom of an action has nothing to do with the sterling moral character of those undertaking it, the extent of their sacrifice, nor with the admirability of the decision-making process.
And, pro tip from an old fogie, one sort of police agent is the type that insinuates him/herself into a group by being the most diligent, selfless worker and a totally non-disruptive presence. (Another type is someone who is a constant pain in the ass. Still another is the lefter/more militant than thou type who encourages people to commit crimes.) There should be no doubt that a development as important as OWS is attracting such attention from the authorities.
If a listserv is not for kvetching, I don't know what it is for.
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Joseph Catron <jncatron at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Max Sawicky <sawicky at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I make no claims as to who agrees or not with me. Never did.
> >
>
> Not explicitly, but you have been harrumphing about how OO should go about
> enforcing a consensus that, from what I can tell, has never come close to
> existing. You want to skip the hard part - convincing enough people to
> agree with you - and go straight to implementing the agreement. (To be
> fair, I sometimes think that sort of thing would be nice, too!)
>
> Meanwhile, I have a vague idea that some of the Oakland Black Bloc have put
> a hell of a lot more time and energy into building the occupation movement
> than the vast majority of what Carrol appropriately calls the "kvetchers"
> here. If you want to influence the direction of a movement, doing the work
> helps. And as I've said before, work's one thing anarchists are great at.
>
> --
> "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen
> lytlað."
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