and yes, I am right, the Berlusconi's Mousetrap is right, Nick Davies of the Guardian is right
Black Bloc style street fighting, property damage and general political violence was used as a "valid excuse" in 2001 to smash the left on an institutional and a personal level for hundreds of thousands of activists
******************** as an extra, the interviewee mentions that the same dynamic of street violence and state and police reaction has demobolized and de-radicalized the young leftists in the last 2 years
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listen to start my question on Berlusconi being "center right" and the Genoa Social Forum, the Italian & European left where smashed at the G8 in July 2001 1 hour, 43 minutes in http://archives.kpfa.org/data/20111113-Sun0900.mp3 http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/75108
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4217629.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4229777.stm
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Nicholas Roberts < nicholas at themediasociety.org> wrote:
> hi Philip
>
> I think you will find that Berlusconi represents a kind of Argentinian
> Peronist new and improved version of fascism in Italy. That at the Genoa G8
> in 2001 he crushed the European alter-globalization movement. He is
> stepping aside, so that technocrats can wreck the state, behind the scenes,
> he will repair his system of patronage by parlaying polictical favors and
> concessions from the worst of the austerity, and then he will return with
> clean hands.
>
> At Genoa, the Black Bloc anarchists where heavily infiltrated by police
> and neo-fascist groups who chose the moments to trigger rioting which then
> allowed the police to attack peaceful protesters. The compromised Black
> Bloc also was allowed - often being supervised by police - to go on an orgy
> of indiscriminate property damage which was used along with scenes of
> street violence to turn the media narrative that all protestors where
> violent.
>
> I am not speculating that the Black Bloc was compromised, infiltrated, in
> this movie/documentary the Black Bloc members admit it themselves. The
> evidence suggests that the Black Bloc was heavily infiltrated and that the
> media/police campaign was orchestrated, you can see more of this in the
> movie below called Berlusconi's Mousetrap.
> http://vimeo.com/8672001
>
> The Genoa Social Forum, which was composed of intellectuals, academics and
> media was violently attacked on the last day of the protests, as a
> supposedly understandable if regrettable "revenge attack" by a frustrated
> police. The Genoa Social Forum was blamed, demonised and framed for
> organizing the riots. I have a friend who was there and he was nearly
> beaten by cops who sang fascist songs, had fascist ring tones, and talked
> openly of Mussoloni and Pinochet. The Bay Area Starhawk was also nearby, in
> an adjacent building
> http://www.zcommunications.org/fascism-in-genoa-by-starhawk
>
>
> *Vittorio Agnoletto, Spokemen Genoa Social Forum, now EU Parliamentarian*
> The parliamentarian who was spokesmen for the Genoa Social Forum has just
> written a new book
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=ESQ5DHlasJYC&lpg=PA1&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false
> http://www.vittorioagnoletto.it/
> vagnoletto at primapersone.org
>
>
> from Guardian journalist Nick Davies, journalist behind Wikileaks and the
> Phone Hacking scandal
> Battle for Genoa
>
> *The bloody battle of Genoa, Nick Davies, The Guardian*
>
> When 200,000 anti-globalisation protesters converged on the Italian city
> hosting the G8 summit in 2001, all but a handful came to demonstrate
> peacefully. Instead, many were beaten to a pulp by seemingly out-of-control
> riot police. But was there something more sinister at play? And will the
> victims ever see proper justice? Nick Davies reports
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/17/italy.g8
>
> Most of the several hundred law officers involved in Diaz and Bolzaneto
> have escaped without any discipline or criminal charge. None has been
> suspended; some have been promoted. None of the officers who were tried
> over Bolzaneto has been charged with torture - Italian law does not
> recognise the offence. Some senior officers who were originally going to be
> charged over the Diaz raid escaped trial because Zucca was simply unable to
> prove that a chain of command existed. Even now, the trial of the 28
> officers who have been charged is in jeopardy because the prime minister,
> Silvio Berlusconi, is pushing through legislation to delay all trials
> dealing with events that occurred before June 2002. Nobody has been charged
> with the violence inflicted on Covell. And as one of the victims' lawyers,
> Massimo Pastore, put it: "Nobody wants to listen to what this story has to
> say."
>
> That is about fascism. There are plenty of rumours that the police and
> carabinieri and prison staff belonged to fascist groups, but no evidence to
> support that. Pastore argues that that misses the bigger point: "It is not
> just a matter of a few drunken fascists. This is mass behaviour by the
> police. No one said 'No.' This is a culture of fascism." At its heart, this
> involved what Zucca described in his report as "a situation in which every
> rule of law appears to have been suspended."
>
> Fifty-two days after the attack on the Diaz school, 19 men used planes
> full of passengers as flying bombs and shifted the bedrock of assumptions
> on which western democracies had based their business. Since then,
> politicians who would never describe themselves as fascists have allowed
> the mass tapping of telephones and monitoring of emails, detention without
> trial, systematic torture, the calibrated drowning of detainees, unlimited
> house arrest and the targeted killing of suspects, while the procedure of
> extradition has been replaced by "extraordinary rendition". This isn't
> fascism with jack-booted dictators with foam on their lips. It's the
> pragmatism of nicely turned-out politicians. But the result looks very
> similar. Genoa tells us that when the state feels threatened, the rule of
> law can be suspended. Anywhere.
>
> *Berlusconi's Mousetrap*
> its important to read the sub-titles
> http://vimeo.com/8672001
>
> The Protests against the G8 in July 2001 in Genoa Italy were the biggest
> and most significant protests in Western Europe since the Poll Tax riots in
> the UK. Italian Prime Minister Sylvio Berlusconi, wanting to impress his
> new best mate George W. Bush, orchestrated a brutal Media/Police preemptive
> strike on the Anti-Capitalist Movements' biggest First World mobilisation
> to date. When the weekend of protests ended Carlo Guiliani was dead and a
> school full of sleeping activists had been attacked in what is popularly
> referred to as the 'Chilean Night'.
>
> The film traces the events of the three days of protests in detail and
> poses the question - Was it all a setup? If Seattle was 'Star Wars' then
> this was 'The Empire Strikes Back'. It was made from a combination of
> footage of the Genoa protests against the G8 shot by 10 members of IMC
> Ireland, material from the Italy IMC Archives and material from various
> other sources.
>
> This footage combined with on the spot interviews and reenacted voiceover
> commentary and analysis from various websites which were active during the
> protests provides a in-depth blow by blow retelling of the story of the
> three days of the Genoa protests against the G8.
>
> *Genoa Social Forum*
>
> The Genoa Social Forum is a coalition of movements, political parties and
> societies opposed to capitalist globalisation. It was created in 2000, a
> year before the scheduled 27th G8 summit in Genoa in 2001, and included
> several associations - and hundreds of smaller ones - largely but not
> solely from Italy. Although it made several requests to meet the
> institutional representatives, as a forerunner of a counter-forum, on June
> 24 2001 they were met by police chief Gianni De Gennaro. Its national
> spokesperson was Vittorio Agnoletto, now an MEP for the Communist
> Refoundation Party.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoa_Social_Forum
>
> *Vittorio Emanuele Agnoletto*
>
> Vittorio Emanuele Agnoletto (born on 6 March 1958 in Milan) is
> an Italianpolitician and Member of the European Parliament for the Southern
> Italy constituency. He was first elected in the 2004 European Parliament
> elections on the Communist Refoundation Party (Italian: Partito della
> Rifondazione Comunista, PRC) list, part of the European Left. He was
> re-elected in the 2009 European Parliament elections.
>
> Agnoletto sits on the European Parliament's Committee on Foreign
> Affairs and is a substitute for the Committee on International Trade,
> substitute for the Delegation for relations with the United States.
>
> http://www.vittorioagnoletto.it/
>
> e-mail: vagnoletto at primapersone.org
>
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