there's no time to dick around pretending that we can legislate our way to a just society. there's no time to dick around giving the democrats just one more shot. there's not time to build a party. it's all or nothing, right now, because by the time they are 35, this world is for shit unless something changes *right now*.
I think that people are trying to see a lot of this as anarchist vs traditional left politics or something but as FC says, there's very little sympathy for Marxism let alone even being, say, Fabians.... except for a few folks (locally). The visceral, deep-seated antipathy to doing anything to stop that constant barage of civil disobedience, taking up public space comes, at least for some, from that place: we don't have time for evolutionary change. You might as well be asking us to sign our death warrants.
shag
<> Fernando Cassia <> <> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 14:25, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote: <> <>> For Marxists there is of course a contradiction here. <> <> I doubt must of the people at Occupy want Marxism. Or even Revolution. <> <> C: Of course not. How is this relevant to the price of eggs in Tokyo. <> Are <> you possessed by the fantasy that a Revolution must be carried out by <> revolutionaries? That's absurd. <> <> FC: Heck, a good dose of Keynesianism, restoring the welfare state (if <> there <> was ever one in the US of A) and ending the rule of Reaganomics would <> be <> enough to improve the quality of life of most people now sitting at <> Occupy*. <> <> C: Pure electoral fantasy. S-D is dead as the "Leninist" Party. You <> can't <> really believe, can you, that an overwhelming proportion of the <> people <> (require for change through legislation) will even listen to someone <> spin <> out Keynesian theory! <> <> Did you even notice what I said the contradiction was, and why it was <> only a <> nominal one for Marxists (on the assumption that Marxists do not see <> Capitalism as evil.) There is no foundation for moral judgment but it <> is <> moral judgment (indignation) that brings masses to the streets. <> <> Carrol <> <> ___________________________________ <> http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk <>
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